tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post8691998634923456272..comments2019-12-24T18:02:12.764+00:00Comments on Chilli bidding: Bridge over disturbed watersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post-82285332380563562872008-12-11T18:10:00.000+00:002008-12-11T18:10:00.000+00:00Hi AndreaQuestion 1: yes, exactly right.Question 2...Hi Andrea<BR/><BR/>Question 1: yes, exactly right.<BR/><BR/>Question 2: also yes. So e.g. after (3C) dbl - 3D, doubler can bid 3H to show a major two-suiter, not forcing, or 3S to show the same two-suiter but forcing. The words about this got lost in the edit. I'll put them back.<BR/><BR/>Best wishes<BR/>AlanAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473264142084840562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post-43472291889745533002008-12-10T12:03:00.000+00:002008-12-10T12:03:00.000+00:00Hi Alan,I read the new pages in the site: you did ...Hi Alan,<BR/><BR/>I read the new pages in the site: you did a good job of explaining the "revolution" and I like the examples too.<BR/><BR/>Two questions about follow-ups after a takeout double:<BR/><BR/>1) I double under the 2NT level and partner says 2NT. I understand that now if I bid one of the two lower non-cue bid suits I am acquiescing and if I bid everything else I am forcing to game. Example: <BR/>1C-(2D)-double-(pass)-2NT-(pass) and now:<BR/>3C = acquiescing with clubs and hearts or spades (or both)<BR/>3H = acquiescing with hearts and spades (probably 4-4 as I doubled instead of shunting)<BR/>3S = game forcing with spades and clubs or hearts (or both)<BR/>4C = game forcing with clubs and hearts<BR/>Am I right?<BR/><BR/>2) I double over the 2NT level. I guess that the "old rules" still apply: namely, if I am two-suited and do not like partner's preference, I bid either the more economic of my suits (not forcing) or the less economic (forcing, probably to game). But that part was dropped from the text.<BR/><BR/>Apart from these clarifications about double, the new disturbed rules seem to me not only much more effective and more fun, but actually even simpler!<BR/><BR/>Best wishes,<BR/><BR/>AndreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post-6560904030071187932008-12-08T10:55:00.000+00:002008-12-08T10:55:00.000+00:00Hi AndreaThanks for the thumbs up! This new stuff ...Hi Andrea<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the thumbs up! This new stuff is all sorts of things, but perhaps most importantly ... it is fun!<BR/><BR/>I like your reference to Little Major: I had forgotten about that early use of two-steppers. Current popular uses include South African Texas and Namyats. I said in an earlier post that there is probably no one thing that is completely new in Chilli. The system gets its distinctive flavour from how all the bits are put together.<BR/><BR/>There was one important detail that I left out of the post. We now have a nice very simple rule for <I>all disturbed bids below 2NT</I>: <B>they are all to play</B>. This rule applies whatever their bids mean.<BR/><BR/>Like you, I like shunts so much I looked for further uses. For the moment, though, I am happy to keep the 'activation' very simple: if the bidding is currently disturbed and below 2NT, then the weak 2NT and shunts apply: if not, they don't. When we have more confidence and experience with them, we might perhaps be a bit more adventurous.<BR/><BR/>I had thought about the 1D convention clash (the curse of all two-way bids!). Our plan is that if you hold the strong no-trump (the usual case) you will always bid strong. So in your example, after 1D (2S) 3C = shunt to hearts, strong no-trump opener will either under-break (3D = fit bid) or over-break. So a rebid of 3H will always show the minor two-suiter. Of course a decent 1354 hand might chose instead to bid 3D.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, although the current 1D bid is by far the best compromise so far, I'm still looking for a better one!<BR/><BR/>Best wishes<BR/>AlanAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11473264142084840562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post-40540312419631385272008-12-08T00:16:00.000+00:002008-12-08T00:16:00.000+00:00Hello again Alan,I have thought some more about sh...Hello again Alan,<BR/><BR/>I have thought some more about shunts and I really, really like them. They complete so well the "Lebensohl" idea: <BR/>- weak 3C / 3D are represented by 2NT<BR/>- so you do not need them any more as natural bids<BR/>- so you can use them to represent majors with enormous added flexibility<BR/>- on the other hand, the 3H / 3S shunts waste hardly any more bidding space than forcing 3C / 3D. <BR/><BR/>Fantastic!<BR/><BR/>If I remember correctly, shunts were used as 1-level opening bids by the great Terence Reese in his "Little Major" (name says it all) system, dropped because it was too effective and opponents complained so much that such systems are forbidden to this day... So you are again adhering to British bridge tradition!<BR/><BR/>Shunts are so cool that I struggled to find a way to use them even more. The way could be this: you open 1 Something and opponent bids 2NT, which should almost always means both minors. So no Lebensohl here, but I think shunts should be on all the same. We do not need natural 3C / 3D anyway (they would be cue bids), so 3C / 3D could be "natural" shunts and 3H / 3S "cue" shunts. <BR/><BR/>The only possible problem I see by now is a "convention clash" after the 1 Diamond opening: you open 1D, opponent 2S and partner (say) 3C; now do you bid according to 1D convention or shunt convention? No great issue really, only needs a little clarifying. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for your great work... and I really like your style and humour too. "Bridge over disturbed waters", indeed! :)<BR/><BR/>All the best,<BR/><BR/>AndreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4930867430569424459.post-7465312413118556282008-12-06T10:27:00.000+00:002008-12-06T10:27:00.000+00:00Hi Alan,for now I can only say WOW !!! You amaze m...Hi Alan,<BR/><BR/>for now I can only say WOW !!! You amaze me again... This looks like FUN!<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>AndreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com